Shabir Ally :

PRIMARY CLAIM #1: Inheritance shares totalling more than 100%

REPLY: Adding two unknowns

“Katz misunderstood what he read in the Quran. The verses he refers to do not say what the parents will receive in this case. Nor does it say what the wife will receive in this case.”

Response:

4:11 deals with the case of the children and the parents. Part of 4:12 deals with the case of wives and husbands. We shall see what the shares of everyone are and to how much they add up, whatever the meaning of the terms is.

Lets first give the whole Arabic text of these verses :

.11يُوصِيكُمُ اللّهُ فِي أَوْلاَدِكُمْ لِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ الأُنثَيَيْنِ فَإِن كُنَّ نِسَاء فَوْقَ اثْنَتَيْنِ فَلَهُنَّ ثُلُثَا مَا تَرَكَ وَإِن كَانَتْ وَاحِدَةً فَلَهَا النِّصْفُ وَلأَبَوَيْهِ لِكُلِّ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمَا السُّدُسُ مِمَّا تَرَكَ إِن كَا نَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلَدٌ وَوَرِثَهُ أَبَوَاهُ فَلأُمِّهِ الثُّلُثُ فَإِن كَانَ لَهُ إِخْوَةٌ فَلأُمِّهِ السُّدُسُ مِن بَعْدِ وَصِيَّةٍ يُوصِي بِهَا أَوْ دَيْنٍ آبَآؤُكُمْ وَأَبناؤُكُمْ لاَ تَدْرُونَ أَيُّهُمْ أَقْرَبُ لَكُمْ نَفْعاً ف َرِيضَةً مِّنَ اللّهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلِيما حَكِيمًا

.12وَلَكُمْ نِصْفُ مَا تَرَكَ أَزْوَاجُكُمْ إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهُنَّ وَلَدٌ فَإِن كَانَ لَهُنَّ وَلَدٌ فَلَكُمُ الرُّبُعُ مِمَّا تَرَكْنَ مِن بَعْدِ وَصِيَّةٍ يُوصِينَ بِهَا أَوْ دَيْنٍ وَلَهُنَّ الرُّبُعُ مِمَّا تَرَكْتُمْ إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّكُمْ وَلَدٌ فَإ ِن كَانَ لَكُمْ وَلَدٌ فَلَهُنَّ الثُّمُنُ مِمَّا تَرَكْتُم مِّن بَعْدِ وَصِيَّةٍ تُوصُونَ بِهَا أَوْ دَيْنٍ وَإِن كَانَ رَجُلٌ يُورَثُ كَلاَلَةً أَو امْرَأَةٌ وَلَهُ أَخٌ أَوْ أُخْتٌ فَلِكُلِّ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمَا السُّدُسُ فَإِن كَانُوَاْ أَكْثَرَ مِن ذَل ِكَ فَهُمْ شُرَكَاء فِي الثُّلُثِ مِن بَعْدِ وَصِيَّةٍ يُوصَى بِهَآ أَوْ دَيْنٍ غَيْرَ مُضَآرٍّ وَصِيَّةً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَلِيمٌ

The Arabic word “وَلَد ” has been interpreted by almost all the distinguished Muslim scholars (Cf. The Exegesis of At-Tabari) as meaning “children”. Now, if Mr Ally thinks that he knows better than all the Muslim scholars of the past, one could follow him and see where one can get:

Shabir Ally :

“To arrive at his understanding, Katz insists that he must take the Quranic statements in the most literal sense. Yet the text even when taken in a literal manner does not support his misunderstanding. The Quran does not literally prescribe what the parents will receive in the case which Katz proposes. It is true that the Quran literally prescribes that the parents will share 1/3 when a man dies leaving one child (4:11). But the case which Katz proposes is different. Katzs case involves three daughters, and the literal Quranic prescription involves only one child. Hence Katzs proposed numerical discrepancy is built on his confusing one case for another.”

Response:

Suppose that “Walad” “وَلَدٌ ” means “one child”. One has but to understand it the same way wherever it occurs in the verses, in both positive and negative forms. Here “فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلَدٌ ” “but if he has not one child” of 4:11 and “إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّكُمْ وَلَدٌ ” “if you have not one child” of 4:12 imply that this is the case in particular when a man leaves 3 daughters (not one child) and a wife and both a mother and a father. So lets turn back to the case given by Katz, namely : 3 daughters, 2 parents and a wife.

The 3 daughters will get 2/3 because of “فَإِن كُنَّ نِسَاء فَوْقَ اثْنَتَيْنِ فَلَهُنَّ ثُلُثَا مَا تَرَكَ ” “and if they be women above two, then for them two-thirds of what he leaves”.

The mother will get 1/3 according to “فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلَدٌ وَوَرِثَهُ أَبَوَاهُ فَلأُمِّهِ الثُّلُثُ ” “but if he has not one child, and his parents inherit of him, a third to his mother”.

From the last passage, its clear that the father should get “something” but its not specified “how much”, so lets call it x (a certainly non zero value). From “َلَهُنَّ الرُّبُعُ مِمَّا تَرَكْتُمْ إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّكُمْ وَلَدٌ ” “and for them a fourth of what you leave, if you have not one child” we conclude that the wife should get .

Shabir Ally :

“If we were to follow the Quranic prescriptions literally, in Katzs case the wifes share is also not specified. The Quran literally prescribes a 1/8 share for the wife if the husband leaves only one child. But Katzs case involves three daughters. And the number three happens to be more than the number one.”

Response:

There are two cases : “one child” and not “one child” (many children). The verses 4:11 and 4:12 deal with both cases. If “walad” is to be taken as “one child” then 4:12 tells clearly how much to give when this is not the case (not “one child”): the wife should beyond any doubt get .

Shabir Ally :

“Katz thinks that the stated shares in this case would be 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8, whereas in fact since two of these shares are not actually stated in the Quran, the shares are 2/3 + ? + ? = ?”

Response:

One has but to think that the shares in this case would be 2/3 + 1/3 + + x which is more than the available property!

Shabir Ally :

“Since the Quran does not make a statement on this specific case, it is impossible for the Quran to be wrong.”

Response:

The Quran actually does whatever the meaning of “walad” is : “one child” or “many children”, see above.

Shabir Ally :

“The details of this case is left to the comprehensive nature of the Islamic Shariah which does not depend on the Quran alone.”

Response:

We already knew that the Book of Allah is incomplete!